tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post8006763369905331017..comments2017-02-02T02:53:33.603-05:00Comments on Discrete States: Response to "Math is Not Necessary for Software Development"RJ Nowlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12181977869649766151noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-1707486331886500772016-02-18T02:54:45.260-05:002016-02-18T02:54:45.260-05:00It is really very helpful for us and I have gather...<br />It is really very helpful for us and I have gathered some important information from this blog.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.softwarevideo.com/" rel="nofollow">Online Software Training</a><br /><br />Jenniferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01670100774921148555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-68372838085675804672014-06-19T03:36:56.410-04:002014-06-19T03:36:56.410-04:00Great stuff dear. I like it Thin Client Hardware &...Great stuff dear. I like it <a href="https://www.igel.com/us" rel="nofollow">Thin Client Hardware</a> & <a href="https://www.igel.com/us/products/igel-zero-clients.html" rel="nofollow">Zero Clients</a>John Carterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04748293294555322958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-13452826349058816012014-02-07T06:12:44.013-05:002014-02-07T06:12:44.013-05:00Acetech software development company is one of the...Acetech <a href="https://plus.google.com/110605273263115533041/" rel="nofollow">software development company</a> is one of the leading software company India.<br />Alan Abrahamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14752305719259566585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-86167469531224556432014-02-04T03:29:50.906-05:002014-02-04T03:29:50.906-05:00It depends, but good knowledge of maths is definit...It depends, but good knowledge of maths is definitely help in <a href="http://javarevisited.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">programming</a> fields.Rohit Malhotrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14711740575876145166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-36458108469218087732014-01-27T13:54:20.584-05:002014-01-27T13:54:20.584-05:00in tertiary studies needing a Learn Math Analysis ...in tertiary studies needing a <a href="http://www.educator.com/mathematics/math-analysis/selhorst-jones/" rel="nofollow">Learn Math Analysis</a> and mathematical background, you need to do a lot better than 40%. If the courses and marking are dumbed down to try to push pass rates up, I would expect at least a B in maths before I would be convinced the student had basic competence. learnbasicmathhttp://learnbasicmath.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-55154759808105030602014-01-23T17:39:47.820-05:002014-01-23T17:39:47.820-05:00That's awesome!That's awesome!RJ Nowlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12181977869649766151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-84737949630561170162014-01-23T17:39:39.840-05:002014-01-23T17:39:39.840-05:00Thanks! I'm going to post more in the future....Thanks! I'm going to post more in the future.RJ Nowlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12181977869649766151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-39934487512874807372014-01-23T17:39:22.493-05:002014-01-23T17:39:22.493-05:00Can you clarify? I didn't see how I was argui...Can you clarify? I didn't see how I was arguing that math needs to proves its value. I was trying to stand up for math! :)<br /><br />RJ Nowlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12181977869649766151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-31592422683464036662014-01-23T17:38:22.066-05:002014-01-23T17:38:22.066-05:00We can learn a lesson from ecology here about the ...We can learn a lesson from ecology here about the importance of diversity. By allowing and using a wide range of approaches, we don't limit ourselves.RJ Nowlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12181977869649766151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-30926109957804620372014-01-23T17:36:49.231-05:002014-01-23T17:36:49.231-05:00Interesting point!
I think math could take a few ...Interesting point!<br /><br />I think math could take a few things from programming. I often wish math did a better job of defining the types in its syntax, especially in the context of physics. RJ Nowlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12181977869649766151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-5288290479266291972014-01-23T17:34:39.580-05:002014-01-23T17:34:39.580-05:00It's unfortunate that math education has alien...It's unfortunate that math education has alienated so many people. I hope that this changes one day.RJ Nowlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12181977869649766151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-56217960056161040082014-01-23T17:33:17.035-05:002014-01-23T17:33:17.035-05:00That's a really good point! I had to take two...That's a really good point! I had to take two of my math classes as independent studies. Those were also the classes I did best in because I was the only one responsible for the material -- I found that depending on someone else's lectures made me lazy and passive.RJ Nowlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12181977869649766151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-33272723585333267802014-01-23T17:11:08.775-05:002014-01-23T17:11:08.775-05:00Your response really resonates for me. I fared ba...Your response really resonates for me. I fared badly in Pure Mathematics at school, 20 years later watching my own children going through this, I understand why I did badly. <br /><br />There is a wide spread of what stimulates the retention and comprehension - that eureka moment. I'm definitely inspired by application of knowledge. I missed the opportunity to make concrete the principles we learned by applying knowledge at the time we learned it during my in-parallel Physics class. That moment only arrived very late in my course, when curriculum eventually converged.<br /><br />The loss of confidence through lack of "sticky knowledge" is very demoralizing. It was made worse by my Math lecturer focusing on getting past basic calculus when I struggled to see the "why" in the first place. With confidence blunted - and only a late burst of "lightbulb" clarity - I eventually failed.<br /><br />20 years later I find myself following my daughters pre-calculus using the applications I eventually learned in Physics as examples. She struggled a little, but now it is making sense.<br /><br />Ironically, the Math lecturer who failed me also told me I'd never make money playing games. Yeah whatever...<br /><br />Thanks again fritzrage,<br /><br />Steve Butler, Architect, Xbox.StephBuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07179678175520384265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-79975233194139879582014-01-23T00:35:30.987-05:002014-01-23T00:35:30.987-05:00Pretty remarkable post. I simply came across your ...Pretty remarkable post. I simply came across your blog and desired to say that I have really enjoyed searching your blog posts.<br /><a href="http://www.globalpayerresource.com/services.html" rel="nofollow">Policy administration</a>Arun Venkateshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04490611312342203401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-15820235844396733342014-01-22T19:33:45.350-05:002014-01-22T19:33:45.350-05:00I was lucky — for my Bachelor's degree, I majo...I was lucky — for my Bachelor's degree, I majored in Interdisciplinary Studies. This allowed me to replace the systems analysis courses of the CS major with mathematics courses instead. Math helps you think about problems differently, and work on more interesting software problems.William Riley-Landhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16955485221446518864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-79941900383421987192014-01-22T15:53:59.763-05:002014-01-22T15:53:59.763-05:00Awesome, you hit the nail on the head. I think it&...Awesome, you hit the nail on the head. I think it's fascinating in the way people learn computer science when its in the main self taught and people seem to come away with a much deeper understanding of computer science whereas they have a very superficial understanding of math that they're taught for years in schoolJoe O'Brienhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16000140829845944379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-66035441901703158452014-01-22T13:53:13.002-05:002014-01-22T13:53:13.002-05:00IMHO, the main thing "math thinking" and...IMHO, the main thing "math thinking" and programming have in common is the use of abstraction to encapsulate complexity. The idea of a "function" is essential in both domains since it allows us represent arbitrary input-output relationships.<br /><br />This is the main "pitch" I give to people who are afraid of math (see my book's website http://minireference.com): if you learn math you'll be able to model the real world and think abstractly. That's the real power of math --- not computation or arithmetic. Let computers do the boring parts ;)Ivanskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03283556663041286996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-73572018798369570572014-01-22T13:26:18.653-05:002014-01-22T13:26:18.653-05:00Your point about the way math is being taught real...Your point about the way math is being taught really stood out for me. I didn't really understand why were 20 calculus formulae thrown at us to memorize. I lost interest before calculus could look beautiful. And the high point of maths for me would be when we were taught heights and distances right after learning trigonometry. That was the first time I understood what the practical application of a formula was. Eye opener.fritzragehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02477877482615670948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-25038317586124434092014-01-22T08:28:53.056-05:002014-01-22T08:28:53.056-05:00The axiomatic approach is too deterministic for an...The axiomatic approach is too deterministic for an AI future, it's more of an engineering approach, tolerance-driven with build-measure-learn loops<br /><br />It's like Computer Science fighting Computer Engineering.. neither can take ownership of the future! Play nicely and work together :)Benhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07514540415458757660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-852049286709072679.post-28514689762712866892014-01-22T00:05:08.248-05:002014-01-22T00:05:08.248-05:00I found your article to be a good stab at the prob...I found your article to be a good stab at the problem of understanding the role of math in the more applicable field of computer science. However, I will criticize you on the fundamental point around which you organize your perspective: mathematics, whose body of knowledge has been and continues to be a fundamental scientific pursuit of all human knowledge throughout history, does not need to validate itself at the feet of immediately applicable, profitable applied computer science. <br /><br />What you call software development is really the software development of the moment. It's requirements will change astime moves on. One requirement wont' change and that's a knowledge of mathematics, for computer science, and software development as a consequence of its development, will never make due without math. The opposite is not true.Charles Ghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11372501328947308065noreply@blogger.com